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Landon is with Tyler Hill now this was before that. As we know, the majority of white males vote Republican, so that may be another reason why many of these white porn twinks are right-wingers.

R Even if that's so, the average 8teenboy shoot would need to last hours for it to equal the 5 dollars an hour that R posted. Also, when they posted their payrates, kink.

They have at least one Latino model, Antonio Fields. One of their tops, Ari Nucci, is white and has a black boyfriend. Justin Owen being a hippocrate is so typical.

It would have been so much more interesting if he had been a member of this right wing church while doing porn at the same time and trying to explain why that's OK.

Now that would be interesting! Or it would have been interesting if he'd been a right wing member of a church who saw the error of his ways and came out in favor of gay sex.

Owen was probably hooking at the same time. I imagine that could be terrible for someone's emerging gay identity to get mixed up with those soulless LA assholes.

That Ed Buck guy is the tip of the iceberg. Not sure if Max and Kyle are going to get back together, but they spent the holidays separately and live about 15 mins from each other - Max rents a house, Kyle a two-story condo.

Why do so many of the Helix models move on to Cocky Boys? What is the connection between the two sites?

Who recruits for CB, do they pay a better rate? Cockyboys hires guys who are know as good performers.

If you notice most of CB performers come from other studios or have done a bunch of scenes for other studios. Their are acceptations.

They aren't poaching other models. Every model who's left Helix for Cockyboys did it because they wanted to leave not the other way around.

Helix's unprofessional, party, drama filled way of doing business is why most of them left for CB. Cockyboys didn't recruit them.

Plus in order to be a CB model you have to be out of the closet to your family and friends and I think they even have to know you do porn.

I'm not sure on that last point but I'm certain about the first two. A lot of Helix models wouldn't even make it past the interview process because of that requirement.

Think about it. There is a lot less potential for drama if those closest the the models know what they are doing. Just to name some models of the top of my head.

It's entirely unprofessional to try to dictate anything to do with the personal lives of their employees. It makes sense to brief models that their family and friends will find out.

But to go beyond advising the models to be out as porn stars is out of line. The models sexuality is none od the company's business. R To my knowledge, Justin Owen was the only G4P performer at Helix, which is one of the reasons why he only lasted a year; it just wasn't a good fit.

A lot of the other models are openly gay, as are the majority of employees behind-the-scenes with a few exceptions.

What are you talking about r There are a million different gay porn companies these models can go to work for. All CB is saying is that if you wanna work for us you have to be out.

There is nothing wrong with that. Not even remotely. In fact it's not even pushy. Again this is why they don't use newcomers they use experienced models.

Of course it is. How someone behaves in their private life has nothing to do with an employer. An employer doesn't get to dictate how someone behaves with regards to their family.

Besides which, what possible reason is there that they need to force their talent to tell their families they do porn - what benefit does it offer the company?

They can behave anyway they want. It just so happens that one of the conditions for employment is you have to be out, if you aren't out then don't apply.

That's not discrimination not hiring models based on their race is discrimination and I don't see many people complaining about that shit.

And you're still unable to say why they need to be out, what makes it so imperative to CockyBoys that their talent is out. Why it's so important that their families have to know they do porn.

So you're defending something without even being able to explain why it exists in the first place. It is perfectly legal in a lot of US states for companies to fire employees for being gay.

Also for other matters like demanding random drug tests to find out whether someone takes drugs in his or her off time and fire them if they test positive for drugs.

How about lowering the risk of drama? I could guess it's not part of Cockyboys' brand to be known as a company who get their precious models into trouble because people, close to them, had to find out the hard way that he is doing gay porn?

Because they learned their lesson with ballet guy. After that they made some changes. I have to laugh at "it lowers the risk of drama" after an upthread rundown of X fucked Y, who was boyfriends with Z.

When Z found out, he went apeshit on social media and ended up in the hospital. And that's just one example of the well covered by the blogs personal life shenanigans involving that studio's employees.

But these guys are out so less chance of drama, right? Tell that to the hundreds of gay actors over the past several decades who have been told to beard by Hollywood Executives.

I suppose it should be pointed out that the "must be out" policy was posted by the same person who posted tedious Helix social media goings on as some kind of exclusive gossip, so it's probably all bullshit anyway.

Trolls be trolling It was entertaining for a bit but move on. Tyler Hill said in a Helix interview that he almost had sex with a girl in high school, but that he's a gold star gay.

You're completely wrong r Ben Masters was a Helix exclusive when all of the drama happened between him and his shitty bum of a boyfriend cheating with his former friend Ben used to let Joey Mills stay with him and show him around NYC Joey Mills.

One of the reasons Ben wanted to leave Helix was because of the unprofessional atmosphere and to get Angel away from Joey. What he didn't know at the time was that Angel was already gone in spirit.

Angel filmed a shower sex video with Ben, April 12th , told him he loved him and from what Ben told me in DM acted like everything was great between them, Ben even rode with him to the airport.

But a day later on the '13th Angel cut off all communication with Ben Masters and has been with Joey Mills ever since.

The Helix crew and models treated Ben so poorly on twitter that I haven't been able to watch their scenes any longer. They just seem like rotten people.

You can't trust your boyfriend around those guys either. Jack Donovan's who's now named Hayden Brier at Guysinsweatpants cheated on his bf while he was at Helix.

The encourage this type of shit by keeping all of these hot pants ass models together in that Helix house so they can all party together and do drugs and go bowling and taco Tuesdays and shit.

If you keep a bunch of horny teenagers together in one place before long something is bound to happen. I'm sorry I'm rambling.

Every scene Taylor writes is about cheating, boyfriends or "getting caught" The last two Joey Mills duo scenes have been about those 3 topics.

Not a coincidence. A disgruntled former Helix model says in private messages that Joey Mills and Angel Rivera cheat on each other all the time and that he's seen this with his own eyes.

My theory is that they stay together for 2 reasons, One is so they can prove the "haters" wrong and two because Angel is totally dependent on Joey.

I think Joey likes that. I really do think he loves Angel but kind of the way you love a pet. Out of the blue Joey has been liking every picture his ex Ashton Summers has posted on Instagram over the last couple of weeks.

And today he posted an old picture of himself in Ashton's bed captioned it "forever a fave" The other day he liked an Ashton pic literally within 5 minutes of it being posted.

LOL I don't know anyone who would like it if their boyfriend was showing that much attention to their ex. How many of you saw the tweets Ashton summers posted and then deleted of his conversations with Joey about his drug use?

Joey was begging Ashton not to break up with him. Ashton broke up with him anyway and that's when he started to go after Angel Rivera almost immediately.

The truth is Ben never really had Angel all to himself and Ashton warned Ben about Joey but he wouldn't listen. Social media is big for these Helix guys.

I wouldn't be surprised if Joey and Angel stay together just to keep their followers. Ben was dating this guy Brandon from NYU but this guy broke up with him twice within a months period.

They are now fuck buddies. Joey likes to fuck around. He will screw you over. Ashton is dating Calle for a few months now.

Joey has no chance in getting Ashton back. That wasn't the question asked though, was it dumb-dumb?

The question asked was whether a Cockyboys exclusive was involved. Which Ben is. Now, you said that the reason for CB having the "must be out" clause is to avoid drama.

So why would they have then hired Ben, given he was involved in one of the biggest pieces of drama porn has seen for some time? And signed him as an Exclusive, no less?

By the way, you can stop telling us who liked what on social media. None of us care. If we did, we'd follow them on social media ourselves. You sound like one of those tedious fangirls mentioned upthread.

You posting gossip doesn't get threads deleted, you posting your obsessive frau bullshit is what gets threads deleted.

R This former employee's name doesn't happen to start with an "R", does it? If it does, then I completely believe you because I know who the former employee is.

R, The models behave this way because they are allowed to. The company has no leadership. Keith is not a boss nor manager.

He may think he is, but if he can't control Deniz, he certainly can't control his models. And considering what they did to Noah, it doesn't surprise me at all the way the models took sides against Ben.

So much for a family atmosphere. Hey r go fuck your mother. You were trying to make a point and instead of just admitting you were wrong you had to get smart, lap top gangster huh.

Go fuck yourself. Jake knew Ben wasn't the problem dip shit r Plus Ben had already been hired before, well before all of this drama came out.

What do you think? These things take weeks and even months to happen, they don't happen overnight. Ben had been talking to Cockyboys for weeks and had decided that after he contract with Helix was up he would leave for Cockyboys.

You would know this if you didn't have your head so far up your ass. My guess is that Joey has a lot of female fans who are obsessed with him.

A lot of them are Asian female fans so maybe it's like K-pop or something who knows? Two of my best online friends are women and they used to like Joey but after what he did to Ben they can't stand him or Angel.

I don't think it's over any great love of Ben or even the cheating so much. It was the way in which they went of of their way to embarrass Ben online and troll him with taunting pictures and videos and tweets.

That was a bridge to far for them. Or by reading Kyle Ross's tweet at the time. Aw, were you trying to pretend you had inside knowledge again when actually it's just stuff from social media?

So why were you insisting he was a Helix Exclusive at the time of the drama? Walked yourself into that one, didn't you?

So Ben posts obsessively, hacks Angel's accounts, posts screenshots and ends up in hospital plus whatever else I'm missing and he's not the dramatic one?

So, since it's obviously not about drama, how about you take another shot at defending CockyBoys dictating how their talent live their private lives?

I love the behind the scenes gossip about Helix Studios and their models. Some real good soap or Real Houswives drama.

R The former model whose name starts with an "R" I don't get what's so hard for you to understand. CB doesn't control their models private lives at all.

All they do is have a hiring policy that says you have to be out in order to work for us. At least that's what I've been told. If you don't like that policy you can go and work for any number of other studios.

It's funny I'm not even a fan of CB's scenes. It's like they're trying to be to artsy fartsy to me. But I do happen to like idea that they try at least to create less drama than Helix studios for instance.

Neither studio has a good record when it comes to hiring models who aren't white. CB does better than Helix but not much better.

R, nobody gives a shit about CB unless you have something to say about Justin Owens. How does that relate to Justin?

I was asked a specific question r This thread stopped being just aabout Justin Owen days ago. But hey, I'm willing to talk about Justin.

What you got? You're the one who took it off topic in the first place, R, by posting your bullshit "insider info", all of which is just stuff from social media.

No-one gives a shit if Joey Mills just liked a picture on Instagram. Fuck off and talk to your fellow fraus on Twitter or wherever the fuck.

Good god you really are dumb. Anybody who got to bang Justin before he became a religious nutcase is a lucky, lucky man.

Of course, he could still be banging guys in secret, but we'll never know. I'd love to be able to get him in a room alone.

After the things I did he'd convert back to our side in a hot second! If that's the reason behind all the Christian horse shit, and it saves his health and his life, then I'd rather see that than just another dead or havoc-wreaking addict.

But I know plenty of intellectual recovering addicts who didn't need to become Jesus freaks to get their shit together.

CB doesn't force their models to do anything. Their models are already out they don't hire models who aren't out. If they haven't hired you, you're not one of their models.

Get it? The fact that you can't understand that, that you don't see the distinction is just more proof of your stupidity. So most of my stuff comes from social media huh?

See if you can find that on social media? I'll wait. What's the story with Blake and Casey? I love that R is getting so upset she's posting from all her different sock puppet accounts and exposing herself further.

And once again, no-one cares about your bullshit "insider info". Stop trying to drag the thread off topic. The world is going one way and God is going another.

The world is the many on a broad road and the saints are few on a narrow road. I look at what's going on in the world and I can't stand it!

The carnality, the flesh, the sin loving, and the pleasure seeking! I can't relate. Me too! I just have one thing I want to do with my life and that's serve God, honor God, glorify God and live for the Lord!

I love Him because He first loved me! If you waved a dick in front of Justin right now he would gobble it down like a starving child.

I can't read through all this nonsense so it may have been said already. Most porn actors are survivors of sexual abuse, likely childhood sexual abuse.

Many think their orientation is str8 and that same-sex activity is an aberration. This is also the profile for the typical ex-gay who is "delivered" from homosexuality by faith.

It's a consequence of trauma. R, I imagine he wouldn't say he didn't enjoy it. Or is able to abstain now in comparison to his. That seems more honest, as the gifs testify against him.

I wish him peace, but I don't think it's going to work for him and then leave him without any faith he may legitimately have I really don't think God's in the gay-to-straight business.

Whatever Justin-Kip does, I hope he's not paying for that reparative therapy. They'll convince you to hock everything to be healed there's some parable about giving everything to be healed but never offer them money back later.

He was in the industry longer then a year. He started with a next door offshoot called Dylan Lucas, they folded he went to randy blue then helix then back to next door where he quit before his contract ended after his arrest and becoming a bible beater.

Pretty hot. There are a lot of these randyblue and nextdoor guys who I feel like completely disappeared. Johnny Torque is gone completely at about the same time as Justin, for example.

Well, some of these guys are just in porn temporarily to do a few videos and make some money to pay for college or other bills, etc.

R, I get it for the guys who only are in a few scenes. For example, Johnny Torque - who I mentioned aboive - was in a ton of scenes and disappeared.

I'm not going to disparage his faith. Part of the beauty of America is that you can be a Christian or not. I will say that I doubt that reparative therapy does anything but create sad, inauthentic lives, which in my opinion isn't the Christian thing to do.

But he's entitled to his journey and you're entitled to yours. That said, he was extraordinary to watch and seemed to be having fun. To your point r there is nothing biblical about reparative therapy.

It's basically quackery that right wing Christian groups use to get past the fact that God had no interest in turning gay people straight.

Believe me I know. Blake Mitchell. I'm surprised at the numeber of scenes he's done. If he'd become more versatile, bulked up, or did something else that was a significant change he'd be more interesting.

A darn shame I tell you, a darn shame. Just not what nature intended, and not necessary in a world with good general hygeine, you know?

I just feel pity for men who have been circumcised against their will and now have to pretend to be proud of it becaue it's the only thing they know, and if they acknowledged the truth about what they've lost, they'd never be able to live with themselves.

It's just sad. I agree with R They look like drawer-pulls. They're NOT sexy. R, how would men circumcised as infants have any idea of what they've lost?

You may mourn for them as foreskin-less dudes, they cannot mourn because there's no sense of loss or trauma. I think if people posted circumcisions on the net, as they do happen with older males in some Abrahamic faiths, maybe that could generate a sense of trauma or loss, but, even then, I doubt it.

And, yeah, Josh Brady, lose those nipple things. After seeing the gifs in the above posts after asking about his "marketable skills", I'm guessing he has a video resume???

However, I'm not sure those skills are beneficial here at Home Depot. Why didn't you include Johnny Rapid? I'm sure there are other performers well-regarded for taking dick, too, but he came to mind immediately as someone currently famous for bottoming.

Hopefully, if he decides to stick with the post-gay story, Justin finds a woman who's skilled with a strap-on and rimming. Nice to see all the evidence of him being pounded, and enjoying it.

It'd be easier if there was any substance to the reparative therapy or ungaying or whatever. Instead, he's likely to end up even more messed up than anything pornography did when he feels betrayed by whatever faith group he's joined.

I wish him the best, though, whether it's playing straight or accepting his same-sex attractions. He did seem to put some effort into it, which is more than can be said for a lot of other performers.

Boy will be back, the truth is that you never leave California. Your motherland always calls you back. A hot and horny bottom like this boy can never walk away from cock.

He may be giving up porn work, but he'll be chasing guys on the sly. I think he has found his new bliss in religion. Not sure that we should be shaming him guys.

Isn't it really his choice now? What vid is that clip from R? And we've had several other cases over the past few years of other ex-gay porn stars doing the same thing.

They have sex with dozens of hot guys during their porn career and then claim that since they've got it out of their system, they've now decided to give up gay sex and suggest others do the same.

Man, what a cum whore he was. And a great bottom. And so sexy. He needs to embrace his greatness and ditch the religious bullshit.

That's a great point r I made the same point earlier. It's like eating all of the candy in a store and then telling everyone "boy that was delicious but it's a good thing I ate it all it because it wouldn't be good for you".

Also Now that I know Justin was filming at the same time he making some of these earlier religious posts a think he was trying to throw his religious family off the scent if his porn.

He wants to give up porn, that's great. Live a good life, kid. But to go all religious and condemn gay people is just sad. I guess he knows his only employment options now are religious wacko.

YUCK Religion does really make you ugly as fuck! I wonder if he was molested by his father as a child.

He practically went to porn after his 18 birthday. Ughh, disturbing none the less. R, Pretty sure he's been arrested a few time on drug charges.

He's just changed one addiction for another. This thread just makes me horny for Justin, especially wanting to see him barebacked and taking copious loads from many men perhaps like a football or wrestling team.

Curse you DL for making me horny and sad and left wanting more Justin in the worse way and not sure if his triumphant return to porn and barebacking is eminent or not.

He'll still be getting glory hole action on the side; the self-hating ones are the horniest of all.

Look me in the eye and tell me this child-molesting homophobic cult is of any value to humanity whatsoever.

I don't think he was ever high. I loved the fact that he was so vocal. I think he will be back, hope he stays healthy. I'm still praying to God to deliver Ricky Schroder from Mormonism.

Now I'll have to do the same for him. Did he ever do a scene with Colby Keller? They'd be a good match Be kind of hot seeing Justin ride Colby's hog.

Even if he makes peace with his same-sex attractions, it probably won't be in the context of porn. Justin Owen's ass was made to take dick.

The thought of him having sexual relations with this christian wife for 30 seconds make me angry. It was my little tribute to my favorite little cumdump.

Love his early work at Randy Blue. The stuff at Helix with him as the dominant top doesn't do it for me. Wonder how he is going to make money to that cloth fine ass in a small town in Texas.

Question: need help, does anyone know were can find the cam show on line were he was playing with big toys???? He will be naked, ass up. The handsome local priest will have his turn and then the football team.

Such a pity. Obviously his drug problems came from a very torturous childhood. His father is a looney. Actually, what stands out is that he leans in to kiss her - when changing position etc.

Guys in straight porn don't tend to do that. I had a friend who came from a religious family who said "I rather suck cock for money than suck cock for Jesus!

People underestimate how much of a scam religion and cults are. They exploit you and your weaknesses for their own gain which can be financially or taking advantage of you in other ways, like sexual.

Now that I see what he's become, I'm leaning heavily towards the latter. Poor kid. On a positive note, I'd love to be the guy who secretly fucks him right now.

The sex would be even more insane than when he was in porn, lol. Justin isn't dead. She's just lying dormant. Waiting to pounce on the nearest dick-shaped object and werq that boyhole.

I hope when he comes back he does a scene mocking the church with him as a nubile type alter boy seduced by pastor giving him the fuck of his life.

R Watching those behind the scenes clips is the first time I've thought he might be straight. Seemed totally disinterested in Diego Sans.

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Justin Owen, Porn Star What do we know? Any dish on this dish? Justin Owen and Billy Taylor. High maintenance heteroflexible guy, based on old gossip.

Claims to be bi. Aged out. A few years ago he was hot to death but the drugs have taken a toll. R4 How does he look like now? I've never found him hot though.

Looks cute. What's his damage? Justin Owen fucked by nerd Blake Mitchell. I loved his Randy Blue scene with Austin Wolf. His old scenes were good.

But he has aged out of being a hot twink. His last card is bareback. Agreed about the scene with Austin Wolfe - so hot.

He swallowed cum many times. I like that in a bottom. I haven't seen any pics of him aging. He's only 23 or Even being a porn star, I give him props for sticking to his principles.

Was he born there? Nasty in the nicest way with Billy Probably not. He has a cut cock, like most Helix models. Losing his hair. Tweaked out of his mind in a cam show a couple years back.

Close up of his ass he posted on Twitter:. Does he have an active twitter account? He doesn't seem to have posted on Twitter since Sept I can totally believe that, R And I hasten to add, by the way, that I hope that's not the case and wish him well.

How does he seem lost? I find it hard to believe he's bi. How short is he, R33? I think he's versatile.

Doesn't he also top? Married with two kids, like most gay porn actors. R39 No he's not. Didn't Falcon's Eric Hanson tried to make it as a model before getting into porn?

You make it sound like he's supposed to be acting in a serious drama. What does he say? His voice is kind of grating, like a nerdy computer know-it-all type.

He is gay! He never shuts the fuck up. What's his real name? Kip Lee Coffman. From Record of arrest. That entire write-up is one giant MARY!

Miss Justin slaying it. He's only 5'8" or so. He was hot until he went to Helix and they tried to turn him into a top. He's a monstrosity.

There's a record of his arrest in Orange County last year, but nothing more recent. Helix failed with him, but succeeded with Luke Wilder.

Justin always read "gay4pay" to me. There is no arrest report for Justin Owen. You people can't just make this shit up. Google says you're full of shit.

How do you know his name is Kip Coffman? Where is the mugshot? Why didn't the porn media report it? Is Justin still in the religious cult?

Asking for a friend. Didn't know he was religious. He still looks smokin' hot. So how does Justin identify?

He's done mainly gay porn, including bottoming, but I've also come across him in straight vids. Yeesh, R I suppose he's no longer going by Kip Coffman?

He really should just come out of the closet and come to terms with himself. R10 From that flush, looked like he was riding the viagra train.

R83, I suppose he could be bi. He did some straight porn, too. He looks crazed. The closest this guy is gonna come to the Rapture is getting fisted.

Cussing shows how unintelligent you are. Curse words are the strongest language of a weak mind. Booty clap.

Who is the top at R92? Looks like Calvin Banks. Looks like he still works out, at least. How did you and gay porn come to be?

His scenes with Austin Wolf are my favourite of his wife and likely his best work in my opinion.

Dead within a year. His father was some sort of sex offender in Idaho. Baptized by dad Cliff Coffman. When was the last time he did a video?

April From August 'You think you're gonna kneel before Christ, give Him exscuses like you give your boss, spouse, or your friends and they buy it?

He'll come back to porn. You just watch. I am grateful for his contribution to gay porn and wish him well. What a waste of a beautiful, talented ass.

He's going method for his inevitable stint with Mormon Boyz. R, that looks like Blake Mitchell suirting cum onto Justin's ass.

R Omg, drinking Blake's spoiled milk! Fuck yeah, R Drink that milk, bitch. Blake's dick is probably the minimum enjoyable size for the guy these days.

No woman will ever be able to satisfy him. No sympathy, r Think of how you'd clean out the Frau and troll traffic.

I bet Zach takes orders from Helix what is allowed to be discussed about it on his site. R I have to wonder how he is compensated for his favors.

R He was DPed and thought it was the Rapture. R He's just taking a different cock now, literally or not. Good-sized booty there.

Never heard of this guy He refused to bareback so he found himself less employable in gay porn. She's a woman of principle!

What is this scene and what made it controversial? I would very much like to fuck him. Logan Cross was adorable, R Yeah I figured nextdoostudios did that but Helix doesn't hold there scene that long.

A life of extremes. From one denial to another but he does seem to commit. Apparently they broke up last year, R Why are these fangirls into gay porn anyway?

R You mean the gurls are shallow and material? Say it ain't so! Justin Owen loves to swallow, he does it in most of his scenes. Any gifs, R? Pour that dirt hunty.

What are you waiting for? Some of my gossip is on the gay porn gossip thread although it's not all I have. R see R Looks like Zane's turned to escorting.

Still hot, though in a slightly sleazier way. He'd fit in well on Men. Are you posting from , R? Seems like a cool guy. I'm surprised that females are paying for gay porn memberships.

Is this more common among the younger generation of women today? LOL Ok, that's some of my gossip not all. Copy it just in case it's deleted.

BTW, Jessie now spends all his time doing drag, and Kurt now seems to collect and sell antiques.

Luke himself basically said this in his scene with Cole, so it's not like it was a secret. R, I used to really like the twinky Brad Chase, but then he became a big Trump supporter.

R Maybe he'll go fuck Milo and Lucian. And he's posted stuff in support of Black football players taking a knee. Ugh Jake Bass. He might have been vaguely cute if he hadn't inked himself up so much.

I used to follow Wes Campbell on IG, and it seemed like he was transitioning. I wouldn't be surprised. They were together for several years, but perhaps it was just normal growing apart at that age.

Oh my bad. You were talking about Taylor r Jamie Sanders was hot. Jessie Montgomery is looking pretty rough these days. That scene with Billy Taylor was hot.

He really gives Billy that ass. Is Evan done with porn now? All these kids will be dead or in jail by They need managers. Porn models need to be 25 and up.

R Any more gossip that you can share? Sad that Justin Owen 1 Lost his looks 2 Joined a very judgemental cult 3 Obvious recovering drug addict.

A Rolex is like bucks big whoop. You can be gay and moral. Let kids be kids. That corvette will be repossessed within six months There has to be a better way.

And they are young and get to fuck. A lot. How exactly are they being exploited? And by whom? What's so wrong with that?

Good to know. I feel sorry for them and you. Showing off his assets:. Thanks, R Justin's hole looks nice there.

When porn stars are right wing douchebags there is usually a very simple explanation for this. I am not into twinks, but man!

Luke Wilder must be living the life. Must admit I'm impressed. Yeah he is. That's the wrong Justin Cross. Check out the SouthernStrokes webpage.

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And yes r that's what I meant. Plus we do need a Joey Mills homewrecker thread Combine it with the angel Rivera cuckold thread.

I think Jamie Ray is supposed to be like 8teenboy Kyle Ross but you may be right. Anyway all of the 8teenboys are terrible performers there is not 1 good one either that or Max Carter is a terrible director probably a combination of both.

Next door holds back scenes for quite some time r He signed a contract with them and filmed with them for a bit but was arrested in Orange County a short time later and never came back.

The scene is considered a throw away one. Wouldn't it make more sense to just have a general twink porn thread, rather than have dozens of threads for each performer?

Some people just can't deal with the choices they made and hope for something like religion to make it right again so they can start fresh.

There is nothing wrong with being religious r but what Justin did is extreme and hypocritical. He could have said something like hey I left that life behind it's no longer for me, I have a new path but it would be ridiculous for me to judge etc, but no.

He's trying to act like he never performed in gay porn and that who his claims to be now totally negates the obvious tremendous enjoyment he got from gay sex and doing porn.

If that really is his dad baptising him, then perhaps his family found out about the porn, and becoming uber-religious is the only way he could satisfy them?

So he has to demonise his past lifestyle to keep the homophobic family happy? Who knows. Who cares. He's losing his looks quite rapidly so not like it's all that much of a loss.

I don't understand how Max Carter was employed in the first place. Looks like a vampire and not in a good way. Are they still together?

Joey Mills is trailer trash as far as I'm concerned. I have no clue why he's so popular and yes, I know he has a big dick Ah, good, thanks for that R I've always been fond of Kyle for what an unashamed cumslut he is at the end of his scenes.

Though he - along with most of the Helix roster - has been becoming unbearable on social media. I blame the fangirls who have shown up and now have these guys acting more like social media wannabes than pornstars.

R, probably because he was only 18 when he started out and was a very young twink that viewers could fantasize over.

And this past year, Helix's quality has gone downhill partly because of this - the scenes are geared toward a very small part of their overall market, and that has hurt them.

Not only is Joey Mills trailer trash but he's a backstabber who who stole his idiot friend Ben Masters boyfriend. Ashton Summers Warned Ben about Joey going after his boyfriend more than a year ago but Ben was to blinded by love for his freeloader boyfriend to listen.

Angel is pathetic, if you notice you never see him interacting separately with any of the other models because none of them like him.

He went directly from living off of Ben to living off of Joey and I mean overnight. I would give out more Helix dirt but the last time I did the thread got deleted so I better be careful.

R In addition to Zane, what happened to Dominic Santos? Randy Blue had such hot guys, how did they end up failing? Talent raids from other studios?

The problem is that those female fangirls are the ones who have active memberships for Helix. Sites like Helix wouldn't give a shit about what fangirls want on social media if they are not the ones paying for the content.

I mean all you have to do is look at some porn threads at Datalounge where posters are called idiots for paying for porn when you can get it for free on illegal file sharing sites or streaming platforms like redtube.

You want quality? Subscribers pay for that. Not the ones downloading it on torrent sites who think that's the right thing to do, because studio and website porn is total shit anyway.

I'm the one who bemoaned the way fangirls have changed how the Helix crew act on social media, but I haven't noticed it changing the scenes themselves - any examples?

R Zane Porter may be the best looking guy in gay porn today. I like that he's bottoming more these days. Loved kissing, sucking, getting fucked, very verbal, eating cum To hear he is a Jesus freak must have to do with his history of arrests and drug use.

Well, at least he left a trail of hot scenes that will continue to allow me whack off over. Do you know why Max and Kyle broke up, after they got engaged?

Is it true no one likes Angel Rivera? Do you know what happened to Noah White? Do you think Blake's new toy boy will ever film a sex scene for Helix?

It would be hilarious beyond reason. He was a great little porn slut. But even before all this Jesus stuff just listening to him in his scenes -- it was obvious this kid was fucked in the head.

Wow, r you actually asked me questions I can answer. I don't know everything but her goes. Kyle Ross Broke up with Max Careter because Max made the mistake of giving him an engagement ring Kyle being a whore at heart broke up with him but he later regretted.

Kyle said all of this in a chat recently so this is no secret. It seems no on likes Angel except Joey and even he dishes him and ghosts him from time to time.

At the Cockyboys party Blake Mitchell called Angel a freeloader and said he was stupid. Luke Wilder outed him as having cheated on Ben Masters with Joey Mills publicly but he later deleted it.

Luke told him to stop lying about it angel got upset and said I thought we were on the same team.

In a recent chatter bait trystan Adler was asked if he wanted to do a scene with angel and he said no no no no no.

I was actually in that chat. Blake needs to be fucked by an 18 year old with glasses and a bigger cock so that he knows his shelf life has truly run out.

Sorry I used voice recognition and it spelled Tristan Adler and Chaturbate incorrectly, anyway.. In which he said.

I hate Angel Rivera. I don't know why everyone gives Joey Mills a pass he's just as bad and has done just as many things to hurt people but there you go.

Helix is supposed to have a policy where the employees don't go after the models. Will Helix employee Denzig Belgin has a rep for doing just that.

Well he succeeded with Noah White. He and Noah were engaged for awhile but I correctly assumed that wouldn't last.

Denzig moved Noah to Montreal where he's from, long story short they are no longer engaged and Noah is back in a cracker ass backwater Florida. I actually don't know much about Blake's boyfriend.

I do know he performs with him on Chaturbate but he said he has no interest in working for Helix. Joey Mills has been know to go on a days long drug binges where he's out of contact with Helix and they have to send people to find him.

He's very into Coke and Molly. Cole and Luke are no longer friends also. Cole did say on twitter that Luke is a versatile in real life and loved getting fucked by Cole.

I mean Ryan being gay is not a shock just look at his twitter and Instagram and also he and Luke took plenty of pictures together just the two of them and a few videos of them together at the beach in nothing but bikini shorts but as he's not a model I wasn't sure if I should post it but they made it pretty obvious.

A couple of former Helix models told me about Ryan and Luke. I wonder what the dinner conversations was like. His scenes with Kurt Summers and Jessie Montgomery were especially good.

R, thank you! I knew about Noah and Deniz And like you, I have no idea why Noah had to leave Helix but Deniz had to stay. And from what I know, Deniz has a Iong history of not only going after Helix models yes to Evan and most likely Blake , but he's done some very underhanded stuff behind-the-scenes that would have resulted in his being fired had he done it for any other company.

I don't know why Keith keeps him around. Some of the models the ones closest to Keith who have his ear don't like him.

Yet he's still there, running the tech team from Montreal. I've met a few of the guys through mutual friends, and the ones I met seemed very nice - Kyle and Max specifically Max is very quiet, Kyle more outgoing.

Since Kyle regrets the break-up, do you think they'll get back together? Not sure about Blake's bf not filming for Helix in the future I knew Ryan was bi, but didn't know he dipped his toe in the Helix pool though I can't be surprised.

I think the move to Vegas has really affected the quality of their scenes. Just my personal opinion.

R, One thing about Angel, that I think shows the type of guy he really is. It's a small thing but speaks volumes.

In Vegas Nights part 5, at the start of the scene is shoves a bag of pot in Cameron Parks' face. To me, it's just a stupid move, one that shows what a dick he is in real life.

And if Francis hates him Sad to hear he's a Jesus freak. His scenes were always good. He used to be one of my favorite porn stars.

Sorry r I don't know anything about Davey Wavey. I woudn't put anything past him though. And yes r I assume they will get back together but that's just speculation on my part.

I don't know how close you are to Keith but i've been told that he's told racist jokes in the past, especially about Black models who have applied to work for Helix.

Also some of the models have been racist, including Cam Parks, Brad Chase no suprise their Ezra Michaels actually said in a meeting that he doesn't want to work with niggers oh and sorry but I've been told that Max Carter is racist as well.

I know these guys may be friends of yours but that was what i've been told by either former models in DM or by someone I trust who has access.

What is it with the amount of gay porn twinks who support Trump? Are they just doing it to make themselves feel like a rebel, or are they all that dumb?

That's a racist dog whistle if ever there was one. His twitter is crazy right wing. These guy guys who love dick but support Republican's are in it for one reason.

The racism. It's not a coincidence they they all end up saying racist shit. Troy Ryan said some borderline racist shit once but he's a super liberal and I have it on good authority that he fucks Black guys.

Well in-between white boyfriends that is. I've seen a picture of one of his ex fuck buddies. He's skinny and cute with a very dark complexion.

R, I'm not friends with any of the Helix models. I've met them in social settings a few times, but that's been the extent of my contact with them.

I will tell you that the second time I met them a few months after the first , they had no clue who I was. Guess I didn't make much of an impression.

Such is life. As for how close I am to Keith My opinion of him did a complete a while back I'll keep the reasons why private but suffice to say, I'm not a fan of his.

If you take a look at the models who left after being there for such a short time - Ezra Michaels, Jeremy Price, Wes Campbell, etc.

There are very few close people in Keith's inner circle, and they have a lot of sway over him. One thing about Keith I once asked him about Sean Ford after Sean had been with CB for a while and he dismissed my question like it was a mosquito that he had just squashed.

He doesn't think about what was past some may call that a good quality and can turn on someone very quickly. Everyone except Deniz, for some reason.

There is just something about Deniz that despite numerous warnings about him by a ton of people, Keith remains loyal to him. I've never understood why.

I have also heard about the racist remarks before, which is sad. I like Cameron Parks as a performer I've never met him but knowing he thinks that way makes it unattractive to watch.

R, what happened with Wes Campbell? However, I never saw him bottom tho, I read that he had , and his topping skills were just perfunctory. But I gotta give him props for his excellent deep throating skills.

It's fucking ridiculous that more PORN "stars" can't deep throat a big dick. R I'm not sure about Max and Kyle's future together, but if it is going to happen, they are taking it real slow.

She's the fag hag that was is? Or some stupid shit like that. There is something about his face that is absolutely beautiful. As for the rest of him, I agree - all those tattoos and cut marks are extremely gross.

Apparently he is one screwed up MF. The newer scenes do seem to lack a certain energy. I figured some odd stuff went on with Helix given all the social media scenes of after filming dinners, etc.

Was curious about the backstory on Kody Knight—was he really a virgin, did he really join the army. If so, did he get a less than honorable discharge.

And Andy Taylor—is it he a little old for a comeback? R Part of the problem may be the lack of sets they use now that they are in Vegas; the bedrooms all look the same.

At least in San Diego they were constantly using different sets, and there was more to the scenes than just the sex. I've heard many people describe Vegas as a city they hate in the daytime, and only enjoy at night.

I think the same can be said about Helix - their "regular" scenes as opposed to movie scenes are cut from the same boring landscape that is daytime Vegas.

It's a shame their quality has gone down these days. Also, social media may have overexposed the boys' personal lives, and their dirty little secrets have come to light.

I get that social media is an important part of their marketing strategy, but when you start learning the boys' real names and find out their lives aren't as fun as you imagined them to be, you start getting turned off.

Their personal content on Onlyfans and Justfor. Fans may have also contributed to the dilution of quality. R He's got plenty of fans, to be sure.

Without the ink, I think he'd be attractive in a sort of boring way, which I'm guessing is the reason for the ink. As it is, he looks like he lives in an alley behind a dumpster somewhere.

R I believe their strategy of sharing the dinners and social gatherings was a calculated move to show how wonderful a company Helix is, and look how everyone gets along, and we're one big family.

Meanwhile, the bump in the carpet keeps getting larger and larger due to all the shit they keep sweeping under it to keep the dirt from being exposed, which, at the end of the day, was inevitable.

They still do it, though not as often, and you're right, it does come across as if there is an agenda.

Let's see if they can get back to what they used to do very well in and beyond. Did anyone watch the final scene of Vegas Nights and how they ended the video?

WTF is up with that??? Was there a message to convey, such as "all limo drivers deserve love" or maybe they just wanted to get the writer into the movie in some way.

The ending completely ruined the video for me - yeah I know it's porn, but if you're going to go this way and tell a story, end it without them all living happily ever after.

Bad call Helix! Bad call!! I know of at least 3 female fans who quit Helix after Angel was exposed as having cheated on Ben Masters with Joey Mills.

I think fans can get over cheating because shit happens but They hated the way it was handled and the fact that neither Angel or Joey apologized for their behavior.

They along with Cameron Parks basically rubbed the fans and Ben's noses in it. Posting trolling pictures and snaps all the while Ben was having a breakdown.

Then you had Ashton summers confirming that Joey had been going after Angel for a long time. That rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way.

The truth is Angel and Joey were having an affair the whole time Ben was with Angel. All the while Joey is pretending to be Ben's friend.

As for Joey, he is and always will be trailer trash. I assume Evan Parker and Tyler Hill broke up for natural reasons. They were together a long time.

The funny thing is a lot of people still don't realize that Tyler Hill and Landon Vega are boyfriends now and have been for months.

Tyler has gone back to Evan a couple of times on Landon while Landon just waits but This time I think it's permanent or at least as permanent as these things go.

I do know Landon is totally paranoid about losing Tyler. He's obsessed,. If Landon thinks anyone is getting in the way of his relationship with Tyler he goes absolutely ape shit.

Cameron Parks is another model at Helix that not many people like and he recently ruined another relationship.

His twink ex boyfriend Bryce Miller accused him of cheating on twitter. Taylor Colman is supposed to be the guy but they claimed nothing happened.

He;s also someone you cant trust your bf around, not that he goes after everyone's boyfriends he doesn't but if he likes you and you're willing the fact that you have a boyfriend will not stop him.

What a messy bunch. Exposure to sophistication? Life experience? There is no character, no morals. Just destruction. They should go to community college and have a sugar daddy maybe and a decent life.

These guys get paid very little, less than minimum wage when you add up all the time filimg and promoting and chatting with fans. They whole thing is sad.

The studios probably make a fortune though. Off exploiting kids from trashy families. Who wants to be a degraded and humiliated and controlled and not even make 5 dollars an hour and letting all these people exploit you and pass you around.

Where are their damn parents? R They do it for the attention case in point and all the free shit that pathetic losers buy them yeah Francis and Jawz, I mean you!

They get dollar store gifts. Just Chinese junk from amazon. They need someone to guide them and help them make better choices.

No sir. Some of those kids could be RICH by now if they had management. I think Helix would benefit greatly from hiring non-porn experienced staff in management roles, people who have business experience and aren't looking to hook up with the models.

The studio staff is screwing the talent? Where does the exploitation end? Way too young to be used up and cast aside. Where do they go from there?

R Kyle drives a Corvette and works in the office. Max pretty much runs 8teenboy by himself. And those are only two of the models.

How exactly are they being ripped off from working for Helix? R As far as I know, no one on staff is screwing the talent.

The only one that I know of who did this is Deniz. The others who work for the company there aren't many - you can probably count them on one hand don't touch the guys.

That includes Casey and Alex Roman. Keith has a very strict policy forbidding anyone from hooking up with a model this should extend to the models themselves but not sure if you would be able to enforce that.

This is why I am shocked that Deniz got away with hooking up with Noah and marrying him , and trying to get it on with Evan and Blake and there are probably others he tried to hook up with.

Guess Deniz is the exception. How does anyone who dates a porn star even another porn star think they're NOT going to get cheated on?

Porn stars are NOT monogamous, by nature. Actually r some moron just bought Joey Mills a Rolex. I don't understand the idea of buying expensive gifts for someone I'm not going to fuck.

Shit they don't even get to meet them. I guarantee you it was from a female. Grown men are exploiting these boys and nobody seems to care.

Since you're oh-so-knowledgeable about this, how much are they paid per scene, and how long does a scene take to film?

Corbin Fisher apparently has a no fraternisation policy between models, except if it's in a certain room where the owner can record the guys according to a former CF talent.

We all have seen what happens to exploited porn stars as the years march on. How much fun could it be living with 10 roommates like cockroaches and always broke?

They are all broke, jailed or dead. R How do you know all this? Is it just supposition or do you have evidence to back up your claims?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you; I just want to know where this information is coming from. Kyle and Max have been with Helix for years, and they've gone from twinks who fuck to guys who have used their talent to roles behind the scenes.

They aren't broke, in jail and are still alive you get my point. Blake has channeled his "celebrity" into being something of a cause-celebre online.

Joey, Cameron and Angel all work for Helix in some capacity behind the scenes as well. For the others, they are most likely in college and the money they make from their scenes goes to pay for tuition, books or living expenses.

And if they are one of the lucky ones, they get a ton of Amazon junk from their adoring fans. It's true that they behaved badly, but they aren't actually obligated to apologize to their fans for cheating on their boyfriends.

Yeah r but they don't like the hate they've been getting Angel in particular is always throwing an online pity party looking for sympathy claiming he's bipolar and shit.

I remember a couple of months ago when he was whining Diesel Washington actually tore him a new asshole. Diesel pointed out that when Ben was in the hospital begging for Angel to come back to him Angel was with Joey posting naked snaps and retweeting bad things about Ben.

Not one Helix model came to Angel's defense, not even Joey who was ghosting him at the time. Plus having a big online presence is a part of Helix's brand so their offscreen behavior does effect the bottom line of he company.

Plus my point wasn't that they owed their fans an apology my point was that their attitude turned a lot of people off and an apology to Ben not for cheating but for the awful trolling would have gone a long way to mitigate the hate.

The fact that R wasn't able to answer my questions in R says it all. They're making shit up. And if they find twink porn so objectionable, one might wonder why they ever clicked on this thread in the first place.

I think that pay scale is criminal. I'm sure Helix isn't the only company that pays so little. Most of these twinks are from small communities in the south or places like Utah as a matter of facet a shocking amount of gay porn twinks come from Utah.

For a lot of these guys this is their first real job other that working at the Waffle House or retail. Their young and horny and don't know anything and are selling themselves cheap.

There are always plenty of drugs available around Helix and you do have access to Sugar Daddy's so perhaps they think that's payment enough but it's not.

Helix is really big on encouraging under-aged drug use. Look at a lot of their "behind the scenes" party, were just one big happy family videos and it's a lot of fucked up twinks high on something,, you can see under-aged drinking and on that day you could even see under-aged guys like Joey Mills smoking giant blunts.

To me it's not very smart. To your point r SouthernStrokes seems to be aimed at the right wing gay customer base. Their name, they don't hire Black or Asian or even Latn models and their two of their most used models are right wing Trump supporters.

Justin Cross an Xavier Ryan. I know Justin Cross's real main and trust me he's a trump supporting right Winger. In my opinion the only reason a gay person would be a trump supporter is because they're racist.

Tristan Adler and Cole Claire each other, Tristan and Luke hate each other now after they fucked, Tristan is also beefing with Milo Harper who until last week was his roommate.

Hey Tristan. Perhaps at some point you want to look in the mirror. Landon is with Tyler Hill now this was before that. As we know, the majority of white males vote Republican, so that may be another reason why many of these white porn twinks are right-wingers.

R Even if that's so, the average 8teenboy shoot would need to last hours for it to equal the 5 dollars an hour that R posted.

Also, when they posted their payrates, kink. They have at least one Latino model, Antonio Fields. One of their tops, Ari Nucci, is white and has a black boyfriend.

Justin Owen being a hippocrate is so typical. It would have been so much more interesting if he had been a member of this right wing church while doing porn at the same time and trying to explain why that's OK.

Now that would be interesting! Or it would have been interesting if he'd been a right wing member of a church who saw the error of his ways and came out in favor of gay sex.

Owen was probably hooking at the same time. I imagine that could be terrible for someone's emerging gay identity to get mixed up with those soulless LA assholes.

That Ed Buck guy is the tip of the iceberg. Not sure if Max and Kyle are going to get back together, but they spent the holidays separately and live about 15 mins from each other - Max rents a house, Kyle a two-story condo.

Why do so many of the Helix models move on to Cocky Boys? What is the connection between the two sites? Who recruits for CB, do they pay a better rate?

Cockyboys hires guys who are know as good performers. If you notice most of CB performers come from other studios or have done a bunch of scenes for other studios.

Their are acceptations. They aren't poaching other models. Every model who's left Helix for Cockyboys did it because they wanted to leave not the other way around.

Helix's unprofessional, party, drama filled way of doing business is why most of them left for CB. Cockyboys didn't recruit them.

Plus in order to be a CB model you have to be out of the closet to your family and friends and I think they even have to know you do porn.

I'm not sure on that last point but I'm certain about the first two. A lot of Helix models wouldn't even make it past the interview process because of that requirement.

Think about it. There is a lot less potential for drama if those closest the the models know what they are doing.

Just to name some models of the top of my head. It's entirely unprofessional to try to dictate anything to do with the personal lives of their employees.

It makes sense to brief models that their family and friends will find out. But to go beyond advising the models to be out as porn stars is out of line.

The models sexuality is none od the company's business. R To my knowledge, Justin Owen was the only G4P performer at Helix, which is one of the reasons why he only lasted a year; it just wasn't a good fit.

A lot of the other models are openly gay, as are the majority of employees behind-the-scenes with a few exceptions. What are you talking about r There are a million different gay porn companies these models can go to work for.

All CB is saying is that if you wanna work for us you have to be out. There is nothing wrong with that. Not even remotely.

In fact it's not even pushy. Again this is why they don't use newcomers they use experienced models. Of course it is.

How someone behaves in their private life has nothing to do with an employer. An employer doesn't get to dictate how someone behaves with regards to their family.

Besides which, what possible reason is there that they need to force their talent to tell their families they do porn - what benefit does it offer the company?

They can behave anyway they want. It just so happens that one of the conditions for employment is you have to be out, if you aren't out then don't apply.

That's not discrimination not hiring models based on their race is discrimination and I don't see many people complaining about that shit.

And you're still unable to say why they need to be out, what makes it so imperative to CockyBoys that their talent is out.

Why it's so important that their families have to know they do porn. So you're defending something without even being able to explain why it exists in the first place.

It is perfectly legal in a lot of US states for companies to fire employees for being gay. Also for other matters like demanding random drug tests to find out whether someone takes drugs in his or her off time and fire them if they test positive for drugs.

How about lowering the risk of drama? I could guess it's not part of Cockyboys' brand to be known as a company who get their precious models into trouble because people, close to them, had to find out the hard way that he is doing gay porn?

Because they learned their lesson with ballet guy. After that they made some changes. I have to laugh at "it lowers the risk of drama" after an upthread rundown of X fucked Y, who was boyfriends with Z.

When Z found out, he went apeshit on social media and ended up in the hospital. And that's just one example of the well covered by the blogs personal life shenanigans involving that studio's employees.

But these guys are out so less chance of drama, right? Tell that to the hundreds of gay actors over the past several decades who have been told to beard by Hollywood Executives.

I suppose it should be pointed out that the "must be out" policy was posted by the same person who posted tedious Helix social media goings on as some kind of exclusive gossip, so it's probably all bullshit anyway.

Trolls be trolling It was entertaining for a bit but move on. Tyler Hill said in a Helix interview that he almost had sex with a girl in high school, but that he's a gold star gay.

You're completely wrong r Ben Masters was a Helix exclusive when all of the drama happened between him and his shitty bum of a boyfriend cheating with his former friend Ben used to let Joey Mills stay with him and show him around NYC Joey Mills.

One of the reasons Ben wanted to leave Helix was because of the unprofessional atmosphere and to get Angel away from Joey.

What he didn't know at the time was that Angel was already gone in spirit. Angel filmed a shower sex video with Ben, April 12th , told him he loved him and from what Ben told me in DM acted like everything was great between them, Ben even rode with him to the airport.

But a day later on the '13th Angel cut off all communication with Ben Masters and has been with Joey Mills ever since. The Helix crew and models treated Ben so poorly on twitter that I haven't been able to watch their scenes any longer.

They just seem like rotten people. You can't trust your boyfriend around those guys either. Jack Donovan's who's now named Hayden Brier at Guysinsweatpants cheated on his bf while he was at Helix.

The encourage this type of shit by keeping all of these hot pants ass models together in that Helix house so they can all party together and do drugs and go bowling and taco Tuesdays and shit.

If you keep a bunch of horny teenagers together in one place before long something is bound to happen. I'm sorry I'm rambling.

Every scene Taylor writes is about cheating, boyfriends or "getting caught" The last two Joey Mills duo scenes have been about those 3 topics.

Not a coincidence. A disgruntled former Helix model says in private messages that Joey Mills and Angel Rivera cheat on each other all the time and that he's seen this with his own eyes.

My theory is that they stay together for 2 reasons, One is so they can prove the "haters" wrong and two because Angel is totally dependent on Joey.

I think Joey likes that. I really do think he loves Angel but kind of the way you love a pet. Out of the blue Joey has been liking every picture his ex Ashton Summers has posted on Instagram over the last couple of weeks.

And today he posted an old picture of himself in Ashton's bed captioned it "forever a fave" The other day he liked an Ashton pic literally within 5 minutes of it being posted.

LOL I don't know anyone who would like it if their boyfriend was showing that much attention to their ex. How many of you saw the tweets Ashton summers posted and then deleted of his conversations with Joey about his drug use?

Joey was begging Ashton not to break up with him. Ashton broke up with him anyway and that's when he started to go after Angel Rivera almost immediately.

The truth is Ben never really had Angel all to himself and Ashton warned Ben about Joey but he wouldn't listen. Social media is big for these Helix guys.

I wouldn't be surprised if Joey and Angel stay together just to keep their followers. Ben was dating this guy Brandon from NYU but this guy broke up with him twice within a months period.

They are now fuck buddies. Joey likes to fuck around. He will screw you over. Ashton is dating Calle for a few months now. Joey has no chance in getting Ashton back.

That wasn't the question asked though, was it dumb-dumb? The question asked was whether a Cockyboys exclusive was involved. Which Ben is. Now, you said that the reason for CB having the "must be out" clause is to avoid drama.

So why would they have then hired Ben, given he was involved in one of the biggest pieces of drama porn has seen for some time?

And signed him as an Exclusive, no less? By the way, you can stop telling us who liked what on social media. None of us care. If we did, we'd follow them on social media ourselves.

You sound like one of those tedious fangirls mentioned upthread. You posting gossip doesn't get threads deleted, you posting your obsessive frau bullshit is what gets threads deleted.

R This former employee's name doesn't happen to start with an "R", does it? If it does, then I completely believe you because I know who the former employee is.

R, The models behave this way because they are allowed to. The company has no leadership. Keith is not a boss nor manager.

He may think he is, but if he can't control Deniz, he certainly can't control his models. And considering what they did to Noah, it doesn't surprise me at all the way the models took sides against Ben.

So much for a family atmosphere. Hey r go fuck your mother. You were trying to make a point and instead of just admitting you were wrong you had to get smart, lap top gangster huh.

Go fuck yourself. Jake knew Ben wasn't the problem dip shit r Plus Ben had already been hired before, well before all of this drama came out.

What do you think? These things take weeks and even months to happen, they don't happen overnight. Ben had been talking to Cockyboys for weeks and had decided that after he contract with Helix was up he would leave for Cockyboys.

You would know this if you didn't have your head so far up your ass. My guess is that Joey has a lot of female fans who are obsessed with him.

A lot of them are Asian female fans so maybe it's like K-pop or something who knows? Two of my best online friends are women and they used to like Joey but after what he did to Ben they can't stand him or Angel.

I don't think it's over any great love of Ben or even the cheating so much. It was the way in which they went of of their way to embarrass Ben online and troll him with taunting pictures and videos and tweets.

That was a bridge to far for them. Or by reading Kyle Ross's tweet at the time. Aw, were you trying to pretend you had inside knowledge again when actually it's just stuff from social media?

So why were you insisting he was a Helix Exclusive at the time of the drama? Walked yourself into that one, didn't you?

So Ben posts obsessively, hacks Angel's accounts, posts screenshots and ends up in hospital plus whatever else I'm missing and he's not the dramatic one?

So, since it's obviously not about drama, how about you take another shot at defending CockyBoys dictating how their talent live their private lives?

I love the behind the scenes gossip about Helix Studios and their models. Some real good soap or Real Houswives drama.

R The former model whose name starts with an "R" I don't get what's so hard for you to understand. CB doesn't control their models private lives at all.

All they do is have a hiring policy that says you have to be out in order to work for us. At least that's what I've been told. If you don't like that policy you can go and work for any number of other studios.

It's funny I'm not even a fan of CB's scenes. It's like they're trying to be to artsy fartsy to me. But I do happen to like idea that they try at least to create less drama than Helix studios for instance.

Neither studio has a good record when it comes to hiring models who aren't white. CB does better than Helix but not much better.

R, nobody gives a shit about CB unless you have something to say about Justin Owens. How does that relate to Justin? I was asked a specific question r This thread stopped being just aabout Justin Owen days ago.

But hey, I'm willing to talk about Justin. What you got? You're the one who took it off topic in the first place, R, by posting your bullshit "insider info", all of which is just stuff from social media.

No-one gives a shit if Joey Mills just liked a picture on Instagram. Fuck off and talk to your fellow fraus on Twitter or wherever the fuck.

Good god you really are dumb. Anybody who got to bang Justin before he became a religious nutcase is a lucky, lucky man. Of course, he could still be banging guys in secret, but we'll never know.

I'd love to be able to get him in a room alone. After the things I did he'd convert back to our side in a hot second!

If that's the reason behind all the Christian horse shit, and it saves his health and his life, then I'd rather see that than just another dead or havoc-wreaking addict.

But I know plenty of intellectual recovering addicts who didn't need to become Jesus freaks to get their shit together. CB doesn't force their models to do anything.

Their models are already out they don't hire models who aren't out. If they haven't hired you, you're not one of their models. Get it? The fact that you can't understand that, that you don't see the distinction is just more proof of your stupidity.

So most of my stuff comes from social media huh? See if you can find that on social media? I'll wait. What's the story with Blake and Casey?

I love that R is getting so upset she's posting from all her different sock puppet accounts and exposing herself further. And once again, no-one cares about your bullshit "insider info".

Stop trying to drag the thread off topic. The world is going one way and God is going another. The world is the many on a broad road and the saints are few on a narrow road.

I look at what's going on in the world and I can't stand it! The carnality, the flesh, the sin loving, and the pleasure seeking!

I can't relate. Me too! I just have one thing I want to do with my life and that's serve God, honor God, glorify God and live for the Lord!

I love Him because He first loved me! If you waved a dick in front of Justin right now he would gobble it down like a starving child.

I can't read through all this nonsense so it may have been said already. Most porn actors are survivors of sexual abuse, likely childhood sexual abuse.

Many think their orientation is str8 and that same-sex activity is an aberration. This is also the profile for the typical ex-gay who is "delivered" from homosexuality by faith.

It's a consequence of trauma. R, I imagine he wouldn't say he didn't enjoy it. Or is able to abstain now in comparison to his.

That seems more honest, as the gifs testify against him. I wish him peace, but I don't think it's going to work for him and then leave him without any faith he may legitimately have I really don't think God's in the gay-to-straight business.

Whatever Justin-Kip does, I hope he's not paying for that reparative therapy. They'll convince you to hock everything to be healed there's some parable about giving everything to be healed but never offer them money back later.

He was in the industry longer then a year. He started with a next door offshoot called Dylan Lucas, they folded he went to randy blue then helix then back to next door where he quit before his contract ended after his arrest and becoming a bible beater.

Pretty hot. There are a lot of these randyblue and nextdoor guys who I feel like completely disappeared. Johnny Torque is gone completely at about the same time as Justin, for example.

Well, some of these guys are just in porn temporarily to do a few videos and make some money to pay for college or other bills, etc.

R, I get it for the guys who only are in a few scenes. For example, Johnny Torque - who I mentioned aboive - was in a ton of scenes and disappeared.

I'm not going to disparage his faith. Part of the beauty of America is that you can be a Christian or not. I will say that I doubt that reparative therapy does anything but create sad, inauthentic lives, which in my opinion isn't the Christian thing to do.

But he's entitled to his journey and you're entitled to yours. That said, he was extraordinary to watch and seemed to be having fun. To your point r there is nothing biblical about reparative therapy.

It's basically quackery that right wing Christian groups use to get past the fact that God had no interest in turning gay people straight. Believe me I know.

Blake Mitchell. I'm surprised at the numeber of scenes he's done. If he'd become more versatile, bulked up, or did something else that was a significant change he'd be more interesting.

A darn shame I tell you, a darn shame. Just not what nature intended, and not necessary in a world with good general hygeine, you know?

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